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		<title>By: Mish</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you so much! now i can correct my father with supporting bible verses. Because it always bothers me and i know there&#039;s something wrong with poker even though it&#039;s online but I don&#039;t know how to stop him from doing that. because once my mother told him that it&#039;s not good coz it also consumes his time for his family and for God but he just answered that it&#039;s just for fun and no money involved. and so I just pray for him to have a realization. so thank you will! may our God bless you and your family always! Glory be to God! tysm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you so much! now i can correct my father with supporting bible verses. Because it always bothers me and i know there&#8217;s something wrong with poker even though it&#8217;s online but I don&#8217;t know how to stop him from doing that. because once my mother told him that it&#8217;s not good coz it also consumes his time for his family and for God but he just answered that it&#8217;s just for fun and no money involved. and so I just pray for him to have a realization. so thank you will! may our God bless you and your family always! Glory be to God! tysm</p>
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		<title>By: Will Fults</title>
		<link>http://willfults.com/christian-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-3461</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Fults</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mish,
Good questions.  Regarding your first question, may I recommend the last section of this article entitled &quot;But what if we just play poker for fun?  Nobody is losing money so is that ok?&quot;  I believe that should give a clear answer, and that section definitely applies to online free poker games. 

Regarding your second question.  If I may rephrase your question a little perhaps we could ask &quot;would God accept me playing poker while performing an act of worship at the same time?&quot;  If you search the Bible, you find the answer to this question in the book of Leviticus chapter 10.  In Leviticus 10, Nadab and Abihu the sons of Aaron performed an act of worship by presenting incense before God (Leviticus 10:1).  But while worshiping, they were also in an act of disobedience (offering profane fire). In Leviticus 10:2-3 God showed that He did not accept their act of worship because it was mixed with disobedience. Jesus loves us with an everlasting love, He is our example, and I&#039;m sure if we ask the question &quot;what would Jesus do?&quot; we would agree that Jesus would never be found at a poker table.  &quot;He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.&quot; (1 John 2:6)  Let us therefore follow Jesus.  May the Lord bless you as you choose to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mish,<br />
Good questions.  Regarding your first question, may I recommend the last section of this article entitled &#8220;But what if we just play poker for fun?  Nobody is losing money so is that ok?&#8221;  I believe that should give a clear answer, and that section definitely applies to online free poker games. </p>
<p>Regarding your second question.  If I may rephrase your question a little perhaps we could ask &#8220;would God accept me playing poker while performing an act of worship at the same time?&#8221;  If you search the Bible, you find the answer to this question in the book of Leviticus chapter 10.  In Leviticus 10, Nadab and Abihu the sons of Aaron performed an act of worship by presenting incense before God (Leviticus 10:1).  But while worshiping, they were also in an act of disobedience (offering profane fire). In Leviticus 10:2-3 God showed that He did not accept their act of worship because it was mixed with disobedience. Jesus loves us with an everlasting love, He is our example, and I&#8217;m sure if we ask the question &#8220;what would Jesus do?&#8221; we would agree that Jesus would never be found at a poker table.  &#8220;He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.&#8221; (1 John 2:6)  Let us therefore follow Jesus.  May the Lord bless you as you choose to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: mish</title>
		<link>http://willfults.com/christian-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-3450</link>
		<dc:creator>mish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 11:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, Will! Thank you for posting this article about a christian who&#039;s playing poker. If i may just ask, is playing poker ONLINE like Texas Holdem Poker on Facebook gambling too, or a sin? And what if while playing poker online, a christian plays christian songs and sing along with, is that a worthy manner? Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, Will! Thank you for posting this article about a christian who&#8217;s playing poker. If i may just ask, is playing poker ONLINE like Texas Holdem Poker on Facebook gambling too, or a sin? And what if while playing poker online, a christian plays christian songs and sing along with, is that a worthy manner? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Will Fults</title>
		<link>http://willfults.com/christian-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-3429</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Fults</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gene,
Interesting points and thanks for the comment but if we want to go to heaven we must ask what does God say?  You see beloved, God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, &lt;em&gt;the voice of the majority&lt;/em&gt;—not one nor all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain “Thus saith the Lord” in its support. 

Therefore we must ask, where is the scripture which justifies gambling or bluffing (which is lying) in order to take another person&#039;s money?  My friend prayerfully consider this point, thus says the Lord &quot;He who works deceit shall not dwell within my house; He who tells lies shall not continue in my presence. Early I will destroy all the wicked of the land, that I may cut off all the evildoers from the city of the Lord.&quot; (Psalm 101:7-8).  And again it is written &quot;You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.&quot; (Exodus 20:16).  Lastly it is written &quot;there shall by no means enter it (heaven) anything that defiles, or causes an abomination &lt;strong&gt;or a lie&lt;/strong&gt;, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life&quot;. (Revelation 21:27) Do not think that men will plead their excuses in the day of judgment. The actions of men who do not know God will never justify anyone in sin.  Satan is whispering in your ear attempting to hold you fast in the ways of deceiving others at the poker table and hoping that you are still on the path to heaven. But Jesus in His mercy and love is speaking to you through the Bible, attempting to save you from sin.  He loves you with an everlasting love, He died on a cruel cross to forgive you of all sin.  His door of mercy is still open, but you must choose to follow Him and lay off this sin.  If I can gain the victory over poker, so can you. I appeal to you my friend, follow Jesus not sinful erring man, your eternal destiny is at stake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gene,<br />
Interesting points and thanks for the comment but if we want to go to heaven we must ask what does God say?  You see beloved, God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, <em>the voice of the majority</em>—not one nor all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain “Thus saith the Lord” in its support. </p>
<p>Therefore we must ask, where is the scripture which justifies gambling or bluffing (which is lying) in order to take another person&#8217;s money?  My friend prayerfully consider this point, thus says the Lord &#8220;He who works deceit shall not dwell within my house; He who tells lies shall not continue in my presence. Early I will destroy all the wicked of the land, that I may cut off all the evildoers from the city of the Lord.&#8221; (Psalm 101:7-8).  And again it is written &#8220;You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.&#8221; (Exodus 20:16).  Lastly it is written &#8220;there shall by no means enter it (heaven) anything that defiles, or causes an abomination <strong>or a lie</strong>, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life&#8221;. (Revelation 21:27) Do not think that men will plead their excuses in the day of judgment. The actions of men who do not know God will never justify anyone in sin.  Satan is whispering in your ear attempting to hold you fast in the ways of deceiving others at the poker table and hoping that you are still on the path to heaven. But Jesus in His mercy and love is speaking to you through the Bible, attempting to save you from sin.  He loves you with an everlasting love, He died on a cruel cross to forgive you of all sin.  His door of mercy is still open, but you must choose to follow Him and lay off this sin.  If I can gain the victory over poker, so can you. I appeal to you my friend, follow Jesus not sinful erring man, your eternal destiny is at stake.</p>
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		<title>By: gene</title>
		<link>http://willfults.com/christian-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-3427</link>
		<dc:creator>gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>two quick points..one, in football when a quaterback fakes a handoff it is deception.  just like a bluff.  and two if you play a tourney in poker just like a golf tourney everyone puts in a set amount usually something they can handle and that is all they can lose as to keep from losing everything they have and becoming an addictive compulsion.  So i think it may not be harmful just as golf tourney are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two quick points..one, in football when a quaterback fakes a handoff it is deception.  just like a bluff.  and two if you play a tourney in poker just like a golf tourney everyone puts in a set amount usually something they can handle and that is all they can lose as to keep from losing everything they have and becoming an addictive compulsion.  So i think it may not be harmful just as golf tourney are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Fults</title>
		<link>http://willfults.com/christian-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-3326</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Fults</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mattie,
Thanks for the comment and you have a good question.  During Jesus&#039; ministry on earth, His disciples were arguing about who would be the greatest in the kingdom.  Jesus told them &quot;If anyone desires to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.&quot; (Mark 9:25) Again it is written &quot;Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.&quot; (Philippians 2:3)  Amusements such as sports and games are often are designed to develop in the participant a character that is exactly &lt;em&gt;opposite &lt;/em&gt;of Philippians 2:3. If we desire to become like the humble King of the universe in character, we shall not seek the highest position, we will not participate in anything that leads us to develop pride or the love of the world, or even tempts us to do so.  Heaven condemns such amusements, for they are contrary to Jesus&#039; perfect character of selfless love.  The only safe course is to shun such and something perfectly harmless should be substituted in their place. At Jesus&#039; &quot;right hand are pleasures forevermore.&quot; (Psalm 16:11)  His presence will bring us more joy and happiness than anything this world may offer.  

I hope that was of some help to your question, I have written a more detailed study on the topic of sports in which many of the same principles would apply to board games which would be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://willfults.com/christian-football/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here entitled &quot;Competitive Sports &amp; Christian Character&quot;.&lt;/a&gt;  May the Lord continue to bless you and guide you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mattie,<br />
Thanks for the comment and you have a good question.  During Jesus&#8217; ministry on earth, His disciples were arguing about who would be the greatest in the kingdom.  Jesus told them &#8220;If anyone desires to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.&#8221; (Mark 9:25) Again it is written &#8220;Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.&#8221; (Philippians 2:3)  Amusements such as sports and games are often are designed to develop in the participant a character that is exactly <em>opposite </em>of Philippians 2:3. If we desire to become like the humble King of the universe in character, we shall not seek the highest position, we will not participate in anything that leads us to develop pride or the love of the world, or even tempts us to do so.  Heaven condemns such amusements, for they are contrary to Jesus&#8217; perfect character of selfless love.  The only safe course is to shun such and something perfectly harmless should be substituted in their place. At Jesus&#8217; &#8220;right hand are pleasures forevermore.&#8221; (Psalm 16:11)  His presence will bring us more joy and happiness than anything this world may offer.  </p>
<p>I hope that was of some help to your question, I have written a more detailed study on the topic of sports in which many of the same principles would apply to board games which would be found <a href="http://willfults.com/christian-football/" rel="nofollow">here entitled &#8220;Competitive Sports &#038; Christian Character&#8221;.</a>  May the Lord continue to bless you and guide you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed this article...make me think of things from God&#039;s eyes.  I don&#039;t play poker, but do occasionally partake in Pokeno with girls from the family.  I enjoy it for the family time, not the winning, but winning always helps. ;) Although we don&#039;t bluff and lie, and the general rules of Poker don&#039;t apply, I am seeing that it could be a sin with the fact of coveting other&#039;s money and greed of the  desire to win. By the sound of it, family game nights should be off limits as well...even Monopoly has you coveting Park Place and hoards of hotels.  Am I right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed this article&#8230;make me think of things from God&#8217;s eyes.  I don&#8217;t play poker, but do occasionally partake in Pokeno with girls from the family.  I enjoy it for the family time, not the winning, but winning always helps. <img src='http://willfults.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Although we don&#8217;t bluff and lie, and the general rules of Poker don&#8217;t apply, I am seeing that it could be a sin with the fact of coveting other&#8217;s money and greed of the  desire to win. By the sound of it, family game nights should be off limits as well&#8230;even Monopoly has you coveting Park Place and hoards of hotels.  Am I right?</p>
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		<title>By: Will Fults</title>
		<link>http://willfults.com/christian-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Fults</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 00:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have completed an in-depth study on the subject of alcohol and the Christian and it can be found at the following link....
&lt;a href=&quot;http://willfults.com/christian-alcohol/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Christian And Alcohol: How Much Is Too Much?&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have completed an in-depth study on the subject of alcohol and the Christian and it can be found at the following link&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://willfults.com/christian-alcohol/" rel="nofollow">The Christian And Alcohol: How Much Is Too Much?</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Fults</title>
		<link>http://willfults.com/christian-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-1503</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Fults</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kenall,
Thanks for the comment.  Actually the Bible amazingly does covers both the topics of drinking and gambling in the same passage in the New Testament in Mark 15:16-24 when the Bible says

&quot;Then the soldiers led Him away into the hall called Praetorium, and they called together the whole garrison. And they clothed Him with purple; and they twisted a crown of thorns, put it on His head, and began to salute Him, “Hail, King of the Jews!” Then they struck Him on the head with a reed and spat on Him; and bowing the knee, they worshiped Him. And when they had mocked Him, they took the purple off Him, put His own clothes on Him, and led Him out to crucify Him.
...
 And they brought Him to the place Golgotha, which is translated, Place of a Skull. (verse 23) Then they gave Him wine mingled with myrrh to drink, but He did not take it.  (verse 24) And when they crucified Him, they divided His garments, casting lots for them to determine what every man should take. &quot;

So verse 24 records New Testament gambling, it was done by those who crucified Jesus Christ.  As followers of God we are called to &quot;Abstain from every form of evil.&quot; (1 Thessalonians 5:22).  And &quot;Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?  For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light  (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.&quot; (2 Corinthians 6:14, Epesians 5:8-11)

The apostle under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit continues to write...
&quot; For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.    Therefore  
     &quot;Come out from among them 
      And be separate, says the Lord.
      Do not touch what is unclean,
      And I will receive you.” &quot; (Ephesians 5:12, 2 Corinthians 6:17)

Gambling in all forms is something we must completely abstain from.  

Regarding alcohol I actually am in the process of writing an article in regards to this subject and will post the link here, however for a quick answer we saw in Mark 15:23 referenced above we saw that Jesus refused to drink alcoholic wine.  The word wine in the Bible can refer both to alcoholic or non-alcoholic grape juice. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStuff/OnlineLibrary/tabid/106/ctl/ViewMedia/mid/447/IID/70/LNG/en/7/The-Christian-and-Alcohol/SC/R/Default.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; This article&lt;/a&gt; goes into an in-depth study of New Testament Bible passages such as the one you mentioned.  Regarding alcoholic wine the Bible is clear &quot;Wine is a mocker,Strong drink is a brawler, And whoever is led astray by it is not wise.&quot; (Proverbs 20:1)  Jesus never partook of such a substance as  the aforementioned link shows.  I hope these verses are beneficial to your walk with Jesus and your additional comments or questions are welcome.  Let us put away these actions and be transformed by His grace.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kenall,<br />
Thanks for the comment.  Actually the Bible amazingly does covers both the topics of drinking and gambling in the same passage in the New Testament in Mark 15:16-24 when the Bible says</p>
<p>&#8220;Then the soldiers led Him away into the hall called Praetorium, and they called together the whole garrison. And they clothed Him with purple; and they twisted a crown of thorns, put it on His head, and began to salute Him, “Hail, King of the Jews!” Then they struck Him on the head with a reed and spat on Him; and bowing the knee, they worshiped Him. And when they had mocked Him, they took the purple off Him, put His own clothes on Him, and led Him out to crucify Him.<br />
&#8230;<br />
 And they brought Him to the place Golgotha, which is translated, Place of a Skull. (verse 23) Then they gave Him wine mingled with myrrh to drink, but He did not take it.  (verse 24) And when they crucified Him, they divided His garments, casting lots for them to determine what every man should take. &#8221;</p>
<p>So verse 24 records New Testament gambling, it was done by those who crucified Jesus Christ.  As followers of God we are called to &#8220;Abstain from every form of evil.&#8221; (1 Thessalonians 5:22).  And &#8220;Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?  For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light  (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.&#8221; (2 Corinthians 6:14, Epesians 5:8-11)</p>
<p>The apostle under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit continues to write&#8230;<br />
&#8221; For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.    Therefore<br />
     &#8220;Come out from among them<br />
      And be separate, says the Lord.<br />
      Do not touch what is unclean,<br />
      And I will receive you.” &#8221; (Ephesians 5:12, 2 Corinthians 6:17)</p>
<p>Gambling in all forms is something we must completely abstain from.  </p>
<p>Regarding alcohol I actually am in the process of writing an article in regards to this subject and will post the link here, however for a quick answer we saw in Mark 15:23 referenced above we saw that Jesus refused to drink alcoholic wine.  The word wine in the Bible can refer both to alcoholic or non-alcoholic grape juice. <a href="http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStuff/OnlineLibrary/tabid/106/ctl/ViewMedia/mid/447/IID/70/LNG/en/7/The-Christian-and-Alcohol/SC/R/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow"> This article</a> goes into an in-depth study of New Testament Bible passages such as the one you mentioned.  Regarding alcoholic wine the Bible is clear &#8220;Wine is a mocker,Strong drink is a brawler, And whoever is led astray by it is not wise.&#8221; (Proverbs 20:1)  Jesus never partook of such a substance as  the aforementioned link shows.  I hope these verses are beneficial to your walk with Jesus and your additional comments or questions are welcome.  Let us put away these actions and be transformed by His grace.  </p>
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		<title>By: Kendall</title>
		<link>http://willfults.com/christian-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-1501</link>
		<dc:creator>Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Will,

I read your article but I think you are assuming to much about the heart of the grambler.  If I place a two dollar bit at the race track where I might win 5 bucks and no one is bluffing or lying is that a sin?  I would have to say no.  Also, I am sure that there was gambling during the NT era so why is it not mentioned in the bible.  Lastly, in your last paragraph it seems that you would list drinking as a sin.  I would say be drunk is a sin but not drinking.  I am sure that the water Jesus turned to wine was alcoholic. I am think that gambling or drinking in excess is sinful.  Moderation is the key as with so many things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Will,</p>
<p>I read your article but I think you are assuming to much about the heart of the grambler.  If I place a two dollar bit at the race track where I might win 5 bucks and no one is bluffing or lying is that a sin?  I would have to say no.  Also, I am sure that there was gambling during the NT era so why is it not mentioned in the bible.  Lastly, in your last paragraph it seems that you would list drinking as a sin.  I would say be drunk is a sin but not drinking.  I am sure that the water Jesus turned to wine was alcoholic. I am think that gambling or drinking in excess is sinful.  Moderation is the key as with so many things.</p>
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